November 23, 2023

Trump Trial Audio Leaked

We finally got a little taste of what is going on in the courtroom in arguments regarding the installation of the gag order against Trump.

Audio was leaked of about four minutes of the exchange between Judge Millet and Trump’s attorney, D. John Sauer.

The point of the recording is trying assert what types of posts by Trump would be considered a threat to a witness.

First Amendment Rights

In the audio, which I will have posted below, Millet gives a very specific example of a post that Trump would likely make and whether that would be a treat to try to influence former Vice President Mike Pence or it would just be Trump using his First Amendment rights.

Millett used Trump posting on the eve of Pence’s testimony something to the effect of “Pence can still do the right thing."

She wanted Sauer to argue whether that would be a threat to possibly influence Pence’s testimony, in other words, a direct communication with Pence, or if that would just be Trump expressing himself, as Sauer argued.

Here is the exchange…

That was only about four minutes of what was nearly two and a half hours of arguments on the matter.

Sauer further stated, “The order is unprecedented, and it sets a terrible precedent for future restrictions on core political speech.”

He added, “They can’t draw a causal line from any social media post to threat or harassment when we have wall-to-wall media coverage of this case.”

The issue at hand here is the fact that Trump’s opponents are going to use these cases against him for their campaigns, be it primary or Democrat opponents and Trump has to have the right to defend himself against these attacks.

I get the judge’s point, but does anyone really believe a Trump rant on social media will influence the testimony of someone one way or the other?

We are still waiting for the final decision to be made in the case, so we will update as necessary as more information becomes available.

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